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PollWould you all be happy with Configuration C or Configuration B for the new BART Cars?
1. Concept C http://bart.gov/docs/cars/interiorConepage.pdf
80%
2. Concept B http://bart.gov/docs/cars/interiorBonepage.pdf
20%
3. Concept D http://bart.gov/news/articles/2012/news20120112.aspx
0%
Total votes: 5
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Why Do You Prefer the Window Seats?Feels More Private/Less Likely to be Bothered
24% (4 votes)
I Can Lean My Head Against the Window & Snooze
35% (6 votes)
I Feel Like I Have More Room/Less Clausterphobic
12% (2 votes)
Sitting All ALone in an AIsle Seat Looks Weird
18% (3 votes)
It Lessens the Chance that Someone will sit next to me
12% (2 votes)
Total votes: 17
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It is generally assumed that
It is generally assumed that lone aisle sitters are hoping to send out negative vibes so no one will sit next to them. Usually it works but I love it when someone finally asserts themself, says "excuse me" and points to the aisle seat. The "WTF" look on the aisle-sitters face is priceless. It's like they're saying "what seat, oh that seat, it's taken, errr, I mean someone's sitting there. They got up to use the restroom".
Some aislesitters if they are really pissed off will not even stand and only slightly jiggle their knee. I saw that this afternoon and it almost led to a fight.
I've never had a true knee
I've never had a true knee jiggler who wouldn't move. I had a lady do it the other day, probobly because she had the whole world with her, but I just stared at her until she moved. The staring contest usually works.
i used to be a window seat
i used to be a window seat guy, but i now prefer aisles. my preference changed because i've spent way too many commutes being sandwiched between the window and someones fat ass.
that being said, i will not sit in the aisle and leave the window seat empty. i'll scoot to the window and take my chances. the exception to this rule is in quad chairs where i will take the aisle and leave the window empty. there is plenty of room for someone to still get in the windowseat of a quad.
I have a question about seating etiquette: i am in an aisle seat on a SRO train and my window seat-mate needs to exit the train. i stand in the aisle and let him/her exit. there are about three people that obviously want the vacated seat, but no one will sit (i sense it is a combination of being polite to their fellow standers and wanting to snag my aisle seat). i was in the aisle seat, so i feel that it is still mine, yet no one will make a move to the window seat. i usually give a couple people a look that says "do you want the freakin seat or what?" if no one makes a move, i scoot into the window seat and someone always immediately takes my aisle seat. bastards! in this situation, is it OK for me to just sit back down in the aisle seat and wait for someone to ask for the window seat?
Nah. You did the right thing
Nah. You did the right thing by scooting over to the window seat.
i know i "did the right
i know i "did the right thing," but i really would prefer the aisle. maybe i'll pretend like i am exiting the train along with my windowseat counterpart, but once someone goes for the vacant window seat i'll do a spin move, and snag the aisle seat.
what if it was southwest airlines? if you are cramped in the middle seat and the aisle guy gets up to use the restroom, do you have dibs on his seat? no, so why is this any different? because i am paying $4 instead of $200?
I think it's pretty funny
I think it's pretty funny that you've planned all this out, boopie... but I agree with you (sorry rafa!). BART etiquette should dictate that you offer the seat of the person who left, and you get to keep "your" seat.
Your plan to let someone go for the window could backfire. Supose someone snags the asile and window? What would you do then? Ask them to move? Or just cut your losses and stand the rest of the way?
I know you've said that you get on at Walnut Creek, boopie, so at that point along the line in the morning there should be sufficient space before the train starts to take on a ton of passengers, around Orinda, Rockridge, and MacArthur.
The reason people wait for
The reason people wait for you to move in after you let a window-seater out is that it's often crowded in the aisle and the person standing up to let the person out is usually the closest to the pair of seats. At least the people on one side are going to have a hard time maneuvering around your ass to take the window seat. They don't want to seem rude by diving in ahead of you like they're trying to steal your rightful seat or something.
Additionally, most people might be trying to be nice since they don't know if you chose the aisle seat or it was all that was left when you got on the train. Many people prefer a window seat (unless getting off soon) so they're simply allowing you to go back in where they think you might prefer. Plus, as mentioned they don't have to do a dance around your ass to get into the row, so they figure everyone wins.
If you really prefer the aisle seat then you'll probably have to say something, since what you describe is normal behavior, and people just aren't mind-readers. Say "I'm getting off soon. Do one of you want the window seat?" or "Window seat anyone?" People just don't know and will wait for you to go back in. If you just stand there for a long time, people will think you're just confused or something.
People act different on airlines since generally the flight is much longer than a BART ride so they psychically mark their territory more. Other airlines assign seats so people are used to NOT playing musical seats in that context. Plus flights don't really have the standing-room only situation of a very crowded aisle full of passengers without seats and nowhere to move to in order to get around you.
Gotta call "foul" over your
Gotta call "foul" over your statement "there is plenty of room for someone to still get in the windowseat of a quad".
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. When was the last time YOU tried to maneuver yourself and your bag(s) through that gap between the knees of the 3 other people already seated, with their bags on the floor, without stepping on their toes? Oh yeah, and keeping your balance - attempting to NOT land in someone's lap - when the train accelerates away from the station while you're in mid-tiptoe squeeze-by.
I understand people's preferences and don't deny you (the generic "you", not you specifically boopie) have every right to the aisle seat if that's your every heart's desire, but common courtesy suggests that unless you're due to get off soon, you really should move in to make it easier for someone to sit, quad or not. It's the sitting equivalent to "move towards the center of the train to make room for passengers getting on" - the subject of yet another rant (c'mon people, do NOT step onto the train and immediately stop in place for @#$*&^ sake!) I'm surprised not to have seen yet. Of course I just started haunting this site yesterday so I haven't read everything yet.
i agree with you that access
i agree with you that access to the quad window seats depends heavily on the seating habits of those already in the quad aisles. there have been times where i have comfortably walked to the window seat and there have been times where i have stepped on toes, banged knees, etc. it depends on the courteousness of the people sitting in the aisle seats.
i don't slouch, i don't wear clown shoes and keep my feet "tucked in," don't have a rollerbag between my legs (what's up with those rollerbag people, btw?). when someone approaches the quads i slant my legs diagonally to make even more room. assuming the person sitting across from me is not a total douche, there is plenty of room to access the windows. i know this because i don't get dirty looks, don't get my feet stepped on and people don't stumble or fall into my lap.
typically i will sit in a quad aisle that already has window sitters, so access isn't so much of an issue unless they need to get out, which isn't very common as it seems 99% of the people exit at my stop or later.
even though I've probably
even though I've probably seen it a million times, i like looking out the window... it makes the time go by
I agree. I was going to
I agree. I was going to request another voting option: window seat just to watch the scenery.
I saw an awesome sunrise
I saw an awesome sunrise over West Oakland last week, the sky was just a blaze of orange and the 'imperial death walkers' outlined against it with their lights on...
I'm thinking you might of
I'm thinking you might of seen this?
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/151/374661003_e69e0a1394.jpg
More like this, but better:
More like this, but better: http://arch.ced.berkeley.edu/kap/1997_images/oakport01.JPG
I really wish I had gotten a picture of it, but I've found pictures out the window don't come out at all :-(