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PollWould you all be happy with Configuration C or Configuration B for the new BART Cars?
1. Concept C http://bart.gov/docs/cars/interiorConepage.pdf
80%
2. Concept B http://bart.gov/docs/cars/interiorBonepage.pdf
20%
3. Concept D http://bart.gov/news/articles/2012/news20120112.aspx
0%
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BART Police Suck!I have to say, BART Police truely suck! They can talk, till they are blue in the face, but honestly, they don't do jack shit! I watched one let a fare evader go because, as he put it, "They are not in the system, it's their first contact with BART." What kind of crap is that! What a joke! Fire them all and start over! |
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I wouldn't say all Bart PD
I wouldn't say all Bart PD is like that. There are a number of Bart PD that do some unethical stuff. But don't all PD's out there have good and bad cops?
I like the BART ladycops.
I like the BART ladycops. The tailored shirts they have show off their boobies!
Very Nice! High Five!
Very Nice! High Five!
those are dudes... wake up
those are dudes... wake up man this is san francisco.
He knows it. He still wants
He knows it. He still wants them.
You are a pervert.
You are a pervert.
Yea boobies! Doyle Dishower
Yea boobies!
Doyle Dishower
Dear asshole you can get
Dear asshole
you can get any
I agree. He's just pissed
I agree. He's just pissed off cuz he got caught. He'll never learn. He'll do it again.
Bart agents will do that
Bart agents will do that also. Depending on circumstances they'll give a 1 time warning.
If they do anything else after the one contact they'll usually be cited.
I agree.
I agree.
Officers are allowed
Officers are allowed discretion. I'm sure there are a number of factors that officers use to make up their mind to cite or warn. I'd say if a person has been warned before, they should be cited because they should know better. I'm sure if you were stopped for speeding, you'd hope the officer exercised discretion by giving you a warning that day instead of just citing you with no questions asked. You'd probably be the first person to get on here and say "BART POLICE SUCK!" and then go on to complain how the officer was a jerk for writing you a ticket.
I think it's good that officer's use discretion on minor infractions. Honestly the officer shouldn't have even told you about their prior history. It's really none of your business. If you want everyone to be cited, then you become a police officer a live a miserable life writing tickets to everyone for everything and having everyone hate you.
So, what you are saying is,
So, what you are saying is, "If I go into Macy*s and shoplift, the officer is allowed to let me go because, he can use discretion?" The odds are if you get caught stealing (afterall that is what fare evaders are doing), at the time you are caught, it more than likely was not your first time.
I am not the first to complain, when I recive a ticket. I have been given one in the last two years--my fault totally. The second time, I was stopped I was given a warning, the signs were REALLY confusing. I even asked the officer to read it and he agreed, so a warning.
I think there is a place for officer discretion, but when someone has to go out of their way, to get on BART and off of BART, when caught they should be cited.
Sorry, I have trouble with your response. One does not need to be warn, to know stealing is wrong. Judging from your response, writing a cite to everyone is not the best part of your job, but it is a part of a Police Officers job and considering Fare evasion is rampant at BART, it should be enforced.
I work in the medical field, I hate performing CPR maybe I should use my discretion and decide when and on whom, I perform CPR. There are many aspects of all our jobs, which we do not like to do, but we do them. The one complaint, I see most often on this board is, "People want to feel safe and they want the fare evader cited." What good comes out of issuing warnings? If there is any good, I would like to know? It is bad for PR, it only encourges others to do it, and it benifits no body, unless your the one who has to cut the paper.
The scenario you are
The scenario you are proposing is different and the obvious point was to say "Officers should use discretion when citing for minor infractions." Shoplifting can constitute petty theft (a misdemeanor), grand theft (if over $400, and a felony) or burglary (if it can be proven the suspect entered the store with the intent to commit theft, also a felony).
Discretion is not often used in cases of midemeanors and felonies. Unfortunately, fare evasion, albeit stealing, is only a minor infraction and only carries fines up to $250 or community service; and no jail time. You can thank the fact that our local court systems are too flooded to deal with the misdemeanor fare evasion cases and they'd rather spill the infraction cases to the traffic courts.
You cannot compare your medical field job to a police officer's job. Most importantly, deciding not to do CPR on someone can cost someone their life, whereas warning someone for fare evasion is not a life-threatening issue. Also, you can be held liable for that persons life if you neglect your duty. Police officers are guided by the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. The people that make the laws in this state even recognize that not every broken minor law should be punished.
I believe that fare evasion is a common problem on BART, but police officers do have to pick their battles. They obviously cannot be everywhere at once and often have to respond to more serious crimes and be proactive in preventing crimes in the parking lots and elsewhere in the stations. Would you rather the BART cops stand around at the fare gates nabbing fare evaders, or be in the lots protecting your valuable car?
Those are very valid points!
Those are very valid points! I still feel, that once caught they should be cited and not let go with a warning. It really does not look good, IMHO. Would I rather have the BART Police standing around the fare gates nabbing fare evaders or in the parking lots---There is a thread right now, discussing the high theft in the parking lots. I myself would like to see a crack down, from time to time, much like they do for DUI, anyone without a ticket, gets cited no excuces. Pick a few stations and do this from time to time and I am sure it would send a message, if you get caught, you will be cited.
I understand, BART Police have a lot of other issues to contend with, but if they were just a little more pro-active and less re-active, I think thinks would improve a lot more.
People really just want to feel safe and know that when people get caught for not paying, they get cited. After all for everyone caught, 10-15 get away.
A very productive chat....
Maybe you should read thread
Maybe you should read thread titled "Can ANYTHING be done to protect the parking lots?" before you ask that last question. Just bad timing, of course, but the truth of the matter, as repeatedly discussed here and elsewhere, is that the absence of a BART police presence at the stations has numerous negative effects for the safety of passengers and property. These concerns should be directed to BART management and your BART representative. Bay area residents pay through the nose for BART and we deserve more and better for our money.
You work in the medical
You work in the medical field. Dude, change your field. You're want of those whining one. We don't want you in the medical field.
You got caught shoplifting
You got caught shoplifting at Macy's, didn't you.
Not everyone is going to get
Not everyone is going to get cited because without a police presence only a very small number of offenders of any sort actually get caught. That's the joke of the whole thing ... they finally do ctually catch someone and then let him go with a warning. Between police that are non-existent (meaning not on-site at a station) and those who are seemingly arrest-phobic (meaning they want to be liked too much so maybeshould change occupations), the message to the petty and annoying criminals is that they can pretty much get away with things, and petty crime often leads to more serious crime. Better that strong enforcement send a clear message that crime will not be tolerated.
you guys should get married
you guys should get married
Everyone wants to hammer the
Everyone wants to hammer the other guy over some petty offense unless it's you.
Example: It costs $270 if you get caught parking in a bus zone. In the AC Transit service area, the Alameda Sheriff's Dept. provide police services and they are very aggressive about giving out tickets to cars that even stop in bus zones. You can imagine the wailing and moaning from people who whine about there's no place to park, and how special their circumstances are, and don't cops have more important things to do, and it's just a rip-off of taxpayers, blah, blah, blah. I watched a man beg a Deputy not to give him a ticket. This guy parked his car in the bus zone and ran an errand then became this big blubbering victim when he got back to his car to see a Deputy writing him up. I hate getting tickets but there's no one to blame but me. That's why I put more money in the meter then I think I need because giving up $1.00 worth of change is better than a $35 ticket. People like to gamble then cry when they lose. Get over it.
On the other hand, the discretion thing is tricky, isn't it Mr. BART cop? How many Latinos in baggy pants get a warning? How many blued-eyed blondes with big boobs get warnings? You see the problem with discretion.
the bus zone fine is way too
the bus zone fine is way too much. Compare it to the double parking fine at $75. Yes, you can block a whole LANE of traffic and only get a $75 ticket, but park at the end of a bus zone where all the bus needs to do is pull up a few extra feet and it's $270. That's just dumb. Even if you figure the bus has to block a lane, that's still only a temporary blockage, while a double parking blockage lasts as long as the person leaves their car.
See what I mean? Forget
See what I mean? Forget about the poor sods who have to disembark into the street because your car is parked in the way. The bus zone fine is perfect. There's no excuse for parking in a red zone. Period. Grow up.
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maybe the fine for double
maybe the fine for double parking isn't enough. Most fines are not enough to be a deterrent.
Santa Cruz is an example, I park and don't feed the meter. Their tickets are $15. If I were to feed a meter all day it would cost me $20-30. I always apologize to the metermaid for making her work when I see her.
If you didnt have
If you didnt have discretion, then you would have a fascist state...you want that?
I reference to "was not in
I reference to "was not in the system" means the the violator apparently made it out of the paid area before the officer saw him. In California, misdemenor and infraction crimes have to occur in the officer's presence before he or she can take action, unless there is a person who witnessed the crime willing to make a citizen's arrest.
I once knew an officer that vowed he'd give his mother a ticket if he could. Everyone thought he was a nut and no one liked him. You sound like the same kind of person...Think about it...Ever heard of spirit and letter of the law?
Keep in mind that most
Keep in mind that most courts will probably throw out a first offense without any priors. BART police don't just let people go. They log it into their system that this person has had prior contact with BART police for such offenses. Then, the next time they get stopped, and the officer runs their info, it'll come up that they have a record of having been warned. And then the officer can cite them knowing that they are aware of the law, that it isn't just a one time mistake, and that makes it at least a little more likely that it'll stick.
Dear jackass you must got
Dear jackass
you must got arrest for something by bart police,and get
a real life asshole.
Well written. Where DIDN'T
Well written. Where DIDN'T you go to school? English not your first language?