The worst news of all of this is that they're going to reduce the legroom of all the seats by about 2 inches. As it's only barely adequate now (my knees brush but don't press against the back of the seats in front of me), that's a MAJOR disappointment. I guess I'll have to sit in the aisle seat facing sideways. A serious downgrade in comfort. I fail to comprehend why they'd do that when people have only gotten taller in the past 40 years. Grumble!
Submitted by bart_rider on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 3:03pm.
I agree with you there. I am only 5'5 and can't cross my legs now when sitting and have just enough room to sit with my legs in front of me. I can't for the life of me understand why they wouldn't have the hand holders on every single seat for people to hold onto as they now. After looking at concept C some more, I'm removing my vote. The trains are packed, what do they expect people to hold onto that are standing in the isles. Many people can't reach the top rail to hold on.
Also noticed today that one passenger can't let another passenger out (unless they weight 100lbs or under) without standing up, exiting to the isle and letting that passenger exit from a window seat. The isle is already crowded on the current trains because BART has already put the seats closer together.
I don't think we need head rests and artsy, just functional and smart thinking.
The positive point about concept B is that it provides a lot of room for standees in the center of the car. It could help a lot during commute hours by giving folks more places to stand. I agree that the seats as pictured are a bit weird. Some NYC subway cars have similar layouts.
Submitted by TreoBART on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 3:58pm.
I can see layout B being an attractive rush hour solution for BART because it would force a lot more people into standing during the evening rush. I would probably stand before I sat in a lounge seat during rush hour. I don't sit in sideways seats for the same reason.
Submitted by sflover1989 on Fri, 02/03/2012 - 12:15pm.
Hey. I just heard from BART board member Robert Raburn on facebook that by popular demand, Configuration B has been chosen. He gave me some advice as to imagine you know an open space around the middle door sort of like a bus and with the traditional forward seating at the ends which I think is great. I realize now as to why it might be a good configuration. Now it all comes down to the exterior. What do you all think though? Please chime in with your comments. Just think about it how easier it would be for passengers with bikes, strollers, luggage, and wheel chairs.
Submitted by bart_rider on Sun, 02/05/2012 - 3:15am.
how depressing and uncomfortable for a long commute. i hope i can find an alternative way to commute. guess they didn't look at the votes on this site. The luggage, etc., poses a safety hazard and BART seriously needs to figure this out.
Submitted by TreoBART on Tue, 02/07/2012 - 8:08am.
Thinking about it, the DC Metro has a big space by the doors and it's not too bad, but I haven't ridden it in rush hour recently. They also don't have the bench seats on the side, they're just missing the four rows of seats would be adjacent to the doors on BART
I still like the blue/gray
I still like the blue/gray color middle choice and am REMOVING my vote for Concept C for seats. I dislike them all.
The worst news of all of this
The worst news of all of this is that they're going to reduce the legroom of all the seats by about 2 inches. As it's only barely adequate now (my knees brush but don't press against the back of the seats in front of me), that's a MAJOR disappointment. I guess I'll have to sit in the aisle seat facing sideways. A serious downgrade in comfort. I fail to comprehend why they'd do that when people have only gotten taller in the past 40 years. Grumble!
Oh, and so much for anyone
Oh, and so much for anyone opening a laptop to get some work done on the train. Double grumble!
I agree with you there. I am
I agree with you there. I am only 5'5 and can't cross my legs now when sitting and have just enough room to sit with my legs in front of me. I can't for the life of me understand why they wouldn't have the hand holders on every single seat for people to hold onto as they now. After looking at concept C some more, I'm removing my vote. The trains are packed, what do they expect people to hold onto that are standing in the isles. Many people can't reach the top rail to hold on.
Also noticed today that one passenger can't let another passenger out (unless they weight 100lbs or under) without standing up, exiting to the isle and letting that passenger exit from a window seat. The isle is already crowded on the current trains because BART has already put the seats closer together.
I don't think we need head rests and artsy, just functional and smart thinking.
I don't know what they were
I don't know what they were thinking with Concept B. It's a train not a bar. If they put a bar ON the train, it would make more sense.
The positive point about
The positive point about concept B is that it provides a lot of room for standees in the center of the car. It could help a lot during commute hours by giving folks more places to stand. I agree that the seats as pictured are a bit weird. Some NYC subway cars have similar layouts.
I can see layout B being an
I can see layout B being an attractive rush hour solution for BART because it would force a lot more people into standing during the evening rush. I would probably stand before I sat in a lounge seat during rush hour. I don't sit in sideways seats for the same reason.
Hey. I just heard from BART
Hey. I just heard from BART board member Robert Raburn on facebook that by popular demand, Configuration B has been chosen. He gave me some advice as to imagine you know an open space around the middle door sort of like a bus and with the traditional forward seating at the ends which I think is great. I realize now as to why it might be a good configuration. Now it all comes down to the exterior. What do you all think though? Please chime in with your comments. Just think about it how easier it would be for passengers with bikes, strollers, luggage, and wheel chairs.
how depressing and
how depressing and uncomfortable for a long commute. i hope i can find an alternative way to commute. guess they didn't look at the votes on this site. The luggage, etc., poses a safety hazard and BART seriously needs to figure this out.
Thinking about it, the DC
Thinking about it, the DC Metro has a big space by the doors and it's not too bad, but I haven't ridden it in rush hour recently. They also don't have the bench seats on the side, they're just missing the four rows of seats would be adjacent to the doors on BART