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PollWould you all be happy with Configuration C or Configuration B for the new BART Cars?
1. Concept C http://bart.gov/docs/cars/interiorConepage.pdf
80%
2. Concept B http://bart.gov/docs/cars/interiorBonepage.pdf
20%
3. Concept D http://bart.gov/news/articles/2012/news20120112.aspx
0%
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Another demonstration car with bike spaces as the lead car in a train. What the hell is wrong with the BART employees who put together the trains these days? Rode in another lead car that was a demonstration car with linoleum flooring and big, marked bike spaces. Damn, people. |
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There's only a limited number
There's only a limited number of lead cars, the demo cars were built in C2 cars when the flooring was being replaced, so there's going to be lead cars with the demo bike spaces no matter what you do, deal with it.
So what idiots were
So what idiots were responsible for putting bike spaces in C2 cars instead of in cars without TO controls?
It's simple, really: the
It's simple, really: the trailing car in a consist becomes the lead car when the consist operates in the reverse direction. It would be way too difficult and time consuming to move that one car off of the lead every other trip. Its not ideal, I know, especially for bike patrons. What BART should have done was put those bike spaces in cars that do not have the ATO equipment, thereby never being the lead car.
"What BART should have done
"What BART should have done was put those bike spaces in cars that do not have the ATO equipment, thereby never being the lead car."
EXACTLY.
It was MORONIC to do otherwise.
I am not an expert when it
I am not an expert when it comes to the trains, but I am wondering what time of day these demo cars are lead cars. If it is between commutes and the trains have been broken down to 4 or 5 car trains, then those lead cars would most likely be in the middle of the consist during the other hours of the day when they are running full length trains. Just a thought?
On Saturday I rode in the
On Saturday I rode in the lead car of an SFO/Milibrae train and it was a demo car. Also I rode a Richmond-Fremont train a few months back and its rear car was a demo car. So I'm guessing it happens quite often.
BART could delete the lame no
BART could delete the lame no bikes in the lead card rule. After all bikes take up no more room than wheelchairs or large rolling luggage.
I like the no-bike rule.
I like the no-bike rule. It's the only way I can get away from the damn things and the holier-that-thou
snots who ride them.
I bring a bike on BART and
I bring a bike on BART and trust me, I am not "holier-that-thou." From the sounds of it, you are probably much holier than me. Good for you. I try to get into one of the two places on a car that keeps bikes out of the way, the ADA area near the doors. Of course if someone requires that spot, I move away.
Now if one of those two spots is not available, I try to get near the door so that I can hop off and let people on/off. What is with people that plop themselves up against the seat rail by the door and then refuse to move out of the way for others egress/ingress? All you have to do is step out the door and it allows people to exit so much easier.
I can agree with that. I
I can agree with that.
I would much rather there be a law not allowing morons with three huge wheeled suitcases on the front car instead.
The suitcases that idiots bring on the train are usually bigger than the bikes, and they slow everyone down because the owners have to spend so much time wrestling them onto the train.
Annoying and inconsiderate. Who needs that much luggage anyway??
O.K. I stand corrected.
O.K. I stand corrected. Wednesday night I was riding loops through the Berkeley hills tunnel and twice I experience the 9 car train with the demo car in the lead. You made a good point and I can only agree with you. Unfortunately I can't do squat about the make-up of the trains. Maybe future demo cars should be on the the "B" cars (no train operator cab). Hopefully someone with the power to make that change will do so.
I am not even sure
I am not even sure foreworkers in the yards know what lead units are demonstration cars. So putting those units elsewhere might not be as easy as you may think it would be. Hell, I would think it gives patrons more room to stand when it's commute and headed out of the city, but what do I know.
There are fewer seats than
There are fewer seats than normal in demo bike car trains.
You can fit more people
You can fit more people standing than sitting. Just look at the design for the upcoming three door cars.
That only matters when the
That only matters when the trains are packed full. Usually when I see one of these demo cars in the front there is also ample seating room.
I was in ANOTHER 10-car train
I was in ANOTHER 10-car train with a demo bike car in the lead during evening commute hours last night.
What the hell is the problem with the morons who put the trains together?
Bikes can NEVER go in the front car, so DON'T PUT BIKE CARS IN THE FRONT OR BACK.
I get how sometimes a shorter train can get a bike car in the lead on accident when they shorten a train, but why put them in the lead on a 10-car train???
Engineering came up with that
Engineering came up with that idea of the the bike car in the control unit and usually they do not consult anyone one these things they just do it.
I've ridden on at least 2
I've ridden on at least 2 more of these trains in the last 2 weeks.
I guess it turns out that BART's bike rules are so asinine that not even BART can follow them.
Kudos on being a total laughingstock of a rail system, BART!
I think it's the same train
I think it's the same train man, check the numbers sometime. I've been on it a few times too when it's the last car. It's been like that for weeks. It's already a 10 car train, I'm betting it just hasn't been disassembled recently. It'll work itself out eventually.
Saw another one this
Saw another one this morning.
Train #2505, lead car in a 9-car train.
But the TO let a guy with a bike on anyway. It was a folding bike, but the guy hadn't folded it at all. Seems pretty weird to buy a folding bike and then not use the folding feature when you get on transit.
I always ride in the lead car
I always ride in the lead car to avoid the pos bike riders, but enforcement of the first-car
bike rule is spotty at best. Some of the TOs just don't seem to care.
I wonder if the TO just
I wonder if the TO just didn't see, or was confused.
I guess folding bikes are allowed on the first car, if they're folded.
Train #2579 Demo bike space
Train #2579
Demo bike space car, lead car in 9-car train headed into San Francisco at 9:10am.
A little off topic, but I
A little off topic, but I think BART should not allow bikes on trains heading from the East Bay to SF, SF to the East Bay an hour before and after a Giants game. Because this weekend I had the pleasure of riding a SFO/Millbrae train from MacArthur to Colma, and that train was packed with Giants fans. I was surprised someone with a bike was able to squeeze themselves into the train at 12th street. Even then the person was barely able to fit themselves in. The TO even announced that anyone with a bike trying to get on board should wait for the next train.