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PollWould you all be happy with Configuration C or Configuration B for the new BART Cars?
1. Concept C http://bart.gov/docs/cars/interiorConepage.pdf
83%
2. Concept B http://bart.gov/docs/cars/interiorBonepage.pdf
17%
3. Concept D http://bart.gov/news/articles/2012/news20120112.aspx
0%
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wow... bart TO tries to fondle a passengers boobies while driving the train... as a side note, i think my 2 year old has a thomas train with the same name as this TO: calvin peter tom. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/11/03/BAKL1AEUM8.DTL&tsp=1 |
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The news article reports he
The news article reports he resigned. Let's hope he hasn't signed up for a commercial pilot's license.
What? But I thought all these
What? But I thought all these union workers were hardworking Americans who deserved their ridiculous salaries, benefits and overtime?
How could he have possibly had the time to fondle boobies when "driving" the trains is so hard?
This A'hole must have been
This A'hole must have been looking for some entertainment to relax his mind from pressing too many buttons. To be fair to all other hard working TOs, this is the first time i have read about anything like this. :) I guess there is always a first time for everything. Hopefully others won't follow him.
I'm sure in 40 years there
I'm sure in 40 years there has *NEVER* been an incident of a private business in which an employee sexually harassed a customer. Yup, it must just be public workers. How dare this happen once in 40 years! I pay my taxes!
Is this really true? I mean
Is this really true? I mean this TO has to be drunk to attempt something like this. Who would think that one could walk up a lady and ask her to co-operate? its not like walking up to a store and asking for a pack of cigarettes. This a'hole must be prosecuted and tried as a sex offender. I hope the union does not try to defend him, sadly i think the union will.
First rank idiot that he
First rank idiot that he seems to have been, the union IINM is contractually required to defend him (innocent until proven guilty). That said,what a fool!
And these union workers
And these union workers wonder, why many like me are anti-union.
you miss the point. Even if
you miss the point. Even if everyone in the union believed the guy was a fool, accepting his dues make the union contractually bound to defend him IINM. That said, this was a no brainer and he apparently figured out he was toast as he resigned before they could fire him. As such he should be ineligible for unemployment insurance. So he is history, and while I am appalled at his behavior, BART is no more able than any other large outfit to keep walking trash from slipping through.
that is exactly the problem
that is exactly the problem people have with unions. all the highly protective rules, even though they make no sense: a union worker could drop a steaming pile of shit on his/her boss' desk and not get fired. a union worker can fondle a customer and the union will provide free legal counsel.
by resigning, he basically admitted that he did in fact fondle the passenger. if he was not guilty, he should have asked to be placed on administrative leave and issued a statement through his lawyer strongly suggesting that the woman filing the complaint is a crazed crack whore TO groupie that he has been trying to get a restraining order against for quite some time.
Either that or he didn't like
Either that or he didn't like his job enough to be harassed and miserable for the rest of his career. Once you're accused of that sort of thing it never, ever goes away, even if you didn't do it.
Not that I'm defending the creep if it's true, but you never know.
look, the whole point of
look, the whole point of collective bargaining is to equalise the power relationship because in LARGE organisations a single employee has no clout. I am NOT defending featherbedding, nor am I defending all union attempts to decrease productivity and increase wages. A look back through the threads around the recent strike threat will show I took a position against such a strike. However, the simple point is that the T/O is presumed innocent until judged guilty either through the established protocols enshrined in the rules and labor agreements at BART or a court of law. As the PAID representatives of the T/Os the union is REQUIRED to defend him/her in this process or provide outside counsel. Once the decision is reached then the story is different.
And, again, he resigned rather than go through the process. I hope he learns better behavior traits. I love trains, a cab ride would be fun, BUT it is a serious infraction.
Perhaps the TO should have
Perhaps the TO should have used some of his $114k in wages and benefits to visit a gentleman's club in his free time to satisfy his fondling fetish. He could have chalked it up to "union business."
IF He did do it ...He is a
IF He did do it ...He is a dirt bag and DESERVES to be fired...BUT He quit so...the only thing that can happen to him now is a criminal case...and maybe a lawsuit.
Makes NO difference if He was a union member or not...
Union can't protect you from a criminal case...nor a civil suit ..so if EITHER of those were pushed forward He stands on his own.
Criminal case ...He misses too much work ( if He hadn't QUIT already) He is fired.
Nothing the union can do for this.
He quit..so...Union pays NOTHING to defend Him.
PERIOD.
Bad people doing bad things need to be punished.
Period
Then again..anyone in a union according to some are akin to baby killing child molesters one and all so it makes no difference ...being accused is enough. Right?
He is a dirt bag so he MUST be a union member.
O-o
Right you are thesilentj.
Right you are thesilentj. He resigned pending disciplinary action. A union would have had to defend him against any disciplinary action administered by management. It's hands off on criminal and civil actions, unless union members establish on a voluntary basis a criminal defense fund. As for civil suits, he along with the district are potentially exposed to litigation if someone can prove there were previous incidents and the district negligently retained him or failed to take some type of administrative action.
The news article says a warrant is out for his arrest. Hope he surrenders quietly and has arranged bail. Creepy guy is probably a hit with his neighbors.
"He is a dirt bag so he MUST
"He is a dirt bag so he MUST be a union member."
I am not sure what you mean by this? Are there any TOs, who are not union-members? or for that matter, does the union allow anybody to join as a TO, mechanic, electrician, etc without becoming a part of the union? In some of our previous threads we discussed, i believe you could not. Please correct me if I am wrong.
What a dumbo for breaking the
What a dumbo for breaking the rules number one. Story sounds fishy.
I'm with you, something ain't
I'm with you, something ain't right here.
T.O.: Hey pretty lady, want to bring your kid and see how my train works?
Lady: Sure!, come on jr, lets see it.
T.O.: Since I let you in here, let me play with ur boobs, I know you want me to.
Lady: No. Not with my kid here.
T.O.: Why not we have another 30 seconds in the dark and ur so hot. Besides, I'm so bored drivin' this train.
Lady: We're leaving.
T.O.: No you are not.
Lady: Yes we are.
T.O.: Okky dokky, bye.
She's missing out. I'm
She's missing out. I'm totally hot for people who work underground in the dark all day.
... a union worker could drop
... a union worker could drop a steaming pile of shit on his/her boss' desk and not get fired ... Not true at all. All of the contracts contain provisions for terminating employees.