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PollWould you all be happy with Configuration C or Configuration B for the new BART Cars?
1. Concept C http://bart.gov/docs/cars/interiorConepage.pdf
83%
2. Concept B http://bart.gov/docs/cars/interiorBonepage.pdf
17%
3. Concept D http://bart.gov/news/articles/2012/news20120112.aspx
0%
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Paople Behaving Badly On BART... againAnybody see the new KRON.com "People Behaving Badly" on BART fare evasion? Score one for BART. LOL!!! I wish I knew how to link it. Maybe someone can do that. But it was pretty funny no less. That dude was on fire. Where is that kinda enforcement in SF??? |
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I hope they have such sting
I hope they have such sting operations, more frequently. One of the punks who was ticketed, had a prior unpaid ticket. how are these tickets enforced? In case of traffic violations, you lose your license. In case of fare evasion, how does bart keep track of who has paid and who hasn't?
Awesome!!! I wish more of
Awesome!!! I wish more of this was done. I guarantee you that if Fare Evasion is dealt with, other issues like graffiti, theft, and assault will drop in frequency as well.
The fine needs to be higher.
The fine needs to be higher. If your fare is $9 a day and you only get caught fare evading once every 20 times, it's still cheaper to fare evade. BART should also start posting its own YouTube videos of fare evaders and offer a reward to people who identify them. It could be a percentage of the fine.
Great idea! Wonder if it is
Great idea! Wonder if it is legal ...LOVE the idea though
Of the many problems within
Of the many problems within BART this has to be one of the most frustrating. I do think it needs to be dealt with but the powers that be don't seem to really care. Of the few fare evaders I have seen spotted out by individuals and apprehended by BPD, I am sure many return the next day to fare evade.
I wonder why the fare gates were designed like they were in the 70s? While I have not used light rail in many other locations, I would like to believe that their elevators do not come up from the platform outside the fare gates. Also other rail systems fare gates are enclosed (ala NYC) so you can't jump over the gates or like at 12th St jump that 4' railing that separates the paid from non paid. Poor design.
I know this is a topic that continues to pop up and there really never is any resolution to it, but it is very frustrating to see individuals doing this on a daily basis. I agree raising the fines for evasion would be one way to approach it, by no means would it curb it, but could make someone think twice about it. I would also like to see BART address the problem (yes BART, it IS a problem).
The way I understand it is
The way I understand it is that the elevators on the original system were an afterthought and not included in the original station designs. Therefore, the elevators had to go where they fit, which was not necessarily all in paid areas. Now, the easy solution is to put one of those 2-way ADA fare gates right at the entrance of any elevator that bridges the paid and unpaid areas. Sure, people can still hop over them, but that is where the station agent and BART PD need to be proactive and hit these bastards with a nice fat fine.
that is a good point. they
that is a good point. they could also make the elevator lock out if the call button is pushed but no fare was paid, to stop the gate jumpers. or even better yet let the door open, but then when the evader gets in the doors lock shut and the elevator fills with water and then they release sharks with lazer beams on their heads. one can dream.
Or you could just rig it so
Or you could just rig it so that the fare gate WAS the call button. Of course, that wouldn't help people using youth/senior/disabled tickets when they're not supposed to, but it's a start.
I thought about that
I thought about that too...replacing the call button for the elevator with a ticket reader and literally make it act like the fare gate does (full AFC capabilities). The question is can all the AFC infrastructure be put in such a small space like an elevator button panel.
In that case, how can we
In that case, how can we prevent multiple people getting into the elevator?
Well, that's always going to
Well, that's always going to be a problem just like piggybacking with the fare gates. Again, station agents and BART PD being vigilant at notorious fare evasion locations is probably the best solution. ZERO TOLERANCE and a $250 fine, followed by a bench warrant if the fine is not paid...who would mess with that?...probably someone, I know.
Station agents are not
Station agents are not allowed to confront fare evaders.
It says so specifically in their contracts.
It's like how workers at gas stations are supposed to just give robbers the cash and not try to "be a hero" and fight off the robber. If something bad happened to the station agent it would cost BART more in legal fees and workers comp than the fare they are losing.
The people who are supposed to enforce the fare policies are BART Police, but they are never around, and unlike the MUNI police they do not ever do organized sting operations to stop it.
Station agents don't have to
Station agents don't have to confront fare evaders in order to help prevent fare evasion. I see secondary station agent booths empty all the time, where the primary might have 3 or 4 agents hanging around it (see Downtown Berkeley, for example). When the secondary booth is occupied, no one fare evades there. When it is unoccupied, its a free-for-all for the evaders. Now, do we really need all 4 station agents in the primary booth at one time? Probably not. Do we need 4 station agents period? Let's get rid of 2 of those station agents and replace them with 1 BART PD officer dedicated for that station, so that something can be done about fare evasion.
how about by weight? you put
how about by weight? you put your ticket in the fare gate and it weighs you as you go thru the gate. it tallys up the total weight of all people who paid. therefore if you jump the gate, your weight will not be counted. then the elevator has a second scale that compares the total weight in the elevator to the weight of those who paid the fare. if the two numbers don't match up, the doors will not close.
or better yet, the elevator will have individual scales on the floor. for example, if the weight is off by 185 lbs, the elevator will know which rider is 185 lbs. the floor will drop beneath them, and they will fall down the elevator shaft into a pool full of hungry sharks with lazer beams on their heads.
It doesn't matter if they
It doesn't matter if they increase the fines, since nobody actually enforces it.
Station Agents simply ignore fare evaders, and BART PD are nowhere to be found most of the time and when they are actually in one of the stations they make their presence so obvious that fare evaders just wait on the platform until the BPD goes away before hopping the gates.
What would be most useful is
What would be most useful is if there were BART police present at all times in stations. I was just riding the Metro in LA, and while they currently have barrier-free stations (ie., no fare gates, but you must have a valid ticket if checked) and there are several police and roving Metro staffers at every single station. There was always someone present on the platform as well as the mezzanine level. I rarely see BART police on platforms or on trains, but do see them everyday driving from station to station in their cars. Of course, it was exposed in the recent report that BART police are not required to ride trains. Hmmmm, how are they protecting BART patrons if they are not in the stations or on the trains???
Great points. BART needs more
Great points.
BART needs more security officers of all kinds to be patrolling known problem stations.
There are people illegally soliciting "donations" on trains almost every day now, and no BART employees there to stop them.
These people are pathetic.
These people are pathetic.