TENTATIVE AGREEMENT available for "members" to view!
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PollWould you all be happy with Configuration C or Configuration B for the new BART Cars?
1. Concept C http://bart.gov/docs/cars/interiorConepage.pdf
83%
2. Concept B http://bart.gov/docs/cars/interiorBonepage.pdf
17%
3. Concept D http://bart.gov/news/articles/2012/news20120112.aspx
0%
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Where?
Where?
ATUs agreement doesn't look
ATUs agreement doesn't look so bad.... good for part timers...not so good for old timers
Thanks for the
Thanks for the link!!!!!!!
/sarcasm
There is no link! You have
There is no link! You have to be an ATU member to log in! I believe its the same for SEIU
If the workers vote "NO" this
If the workers vote "NO" this week, we the riders will still not know what the details of the agreement were. Are the workers going to vote on another summary of the agreement, like last time? What are the changes to the agreement compared to the previous one which was voted down?
there is nowhere for SEIU
there is nowhere for SEIU members to log in, Never has been.
Link to these details BART
Link to these details
BART Contract Details
The proposal before BART’s two largest unions, the ATU and SEIU, includes these components:
• Preserves base salaries but eliminates 3 vacation days and/or floating holidays each year for two years
• Provides a 0.75% wage increase in the fourth year
• Gives employees a $500 lump sum payment in both the second & third years of contract
• Caps BART’s medical expenses by allowing all employees to pay just $85/month to cover themselves and their entire family under the Kaiser or Blue Shield HMO plans - If employees wish to choose a more expensive plan they pay the difference between Kaiser/Blue Shield HMO and the more expensive plan (Currently, BART pays virtually the full cost of the 6 medical plans offered for employees and the entire family)
• Continues to offer free pension (BART will pay both the employer and employee share of pension costs)
• Eliminates BART’s contributions to employees’ secondary retirement accounts
• Reduces BART’s expenses by allowing employees to turn sick leave pay into pension credits
• Eliminates a reasonable number of wasteful work rules and alters the “beneficial past practice” clause in the contract that gives birth to additional wasteful work rules
That was Managements offer at
That was Managements offer at the begining of the month that we voted down.
So did the Unions cave? I bet
So did the Unions cave?
I bet you're glad you've been paying all those dues now, huh? LOL!
Nope, they didn't cave. From
Nope, they didn't cave. From what I understand it is a decent contract. No wage increases, but all of our benefits are intact. Everyone had already resigned to no increase in wages. But I can't say for sure until I read it.
If the Union leaders are now
If the Union leaders are now agreeing to a contract that they turned down a month ago, then YES THEY CAVED.
Either this contract is different somehow, or they caved.
Period.
UNIONS did not cave. (in my
UNIONS did not cave. (in my opinion) BART gave more that what was expected. Alot of new things(benefits etc)will be provided to part -timers. To me, the contract offer is an attempt to divide the part timer as the full timers. IF the contract is NOT ratified, it will appear that the full timers (or senior employees) don't care about their counterparts. If it IS ratified, the full-timers and senior employees will give up some historic benefits.
Management offered a
Management offered a contract.
The Union leaders said it was no good.
Management offered the same contract again.
This time the Union leaders said it was OK.
Unless the new contract is different from the first one, THEY CAVED. PERIOD.
Why am I having to repeat something so blindingly obvious?!?
I hope for the sake of the Union workers that this new contract really *IS* different, but if it isn't then it means that the Union leaders caved and that your hard-earned Union dues got you exactly diddly squat.
I don't think so. The Union
I don't think so. The Union leaders fought till the end for their workers and I respect that (even though I do not agree to everything they were fighting for). There is no shame in accepting the reality and giving some concessions to the bart management, after putting up a fight.
I agree. I would be very
I agree.
I would be very surprised if it is the exact same contract, so I am surprised that people here who know more about the unions than I do are saying that it is.
I guess we will have to wait to hear more details, but for the sake of the union workers I hope that it is a different contract because otherwise they will feel like huge idiots for paying all those union dues for nothing.
@ MC Why do people continue
@ MC
Why do people continue to try and explain things to an idiot who has his head so far up his ass that is breath smells like shit?????
FIRST OF ALL... NOTHING has been accepted. The membership still has to vote on it. DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THe SAME contract was not offered! If you believe it to be the same contract then expect the same result,, a "NO" vote!
If this is indeed the
If this is indeed the contract then it is *exactly* the same thing voted down two weeks ago, except now it's worse because 3 paid holidays are being taken away.
"Preserves base salaries but
"Preserves base salaries but eliminates 3 vacation days and/or floating holidays each year for two years"
TRUE
"Provides a 0.75% wage increase in the fourth year"
Not true. Percentage has been increased
"Gives employees a $500 lump sum payment in both the second & third years of contract"
Not true. Amounts in third and fourth year has been increased" - third year $1000 and 4th $1500.
"Caps BART’s medical expenses by allowing all employees to pay just $85/month to cover themselves and their entire family under the Kaiser or Blue Shield HMO plans - If employees wish to choose a more expensive plan they pay the difference between Kaiser/Blue Shield HMO and the more expensive plan (Currently, BART pays virtually the full cost of the 6 medical plans offered for employees and the entire family)"
True
"Continues to offer free pension (BART will pay both the employer and employee share of pension costs)"
True
"Eliminates BART’s contributions to employees’ secondary retirement accounts"
Not true. Contribution remains intact.
"Reduces BART’s expenses by allowing employees to turn sick leave pay into pension credits"
True
"Eliminates a reasonable number of wasteful work rules and alters the “beneficial past practice” clause in the contract that gives birth to additional wasteful work rules"
Still unclear on this one. Information received is vague.
Word around the system is
Word around the system is that this contract is almost the same as the last one that got voted down. It seems as this will get voted down too from the way workers are talking about it.. This may not be over yet.
Wrong. I got it straight
Wrong. I got it straight from the Vice pres mouth. If you think somehow we will get anything better, you better think again. And all the "rumors" going around always go around every contract. Did we loose some things, yes, but in the grand scheme of things we came out pretty much untouched. My benefits remain intact, no raise but a bonus in years 2,3 and 4. Medical capped at Kaiser which I already have. They did not touch our retirement in any way. That is huge. We will not get better in these economic times.
"Bonuses" are the worst
"Bonuses" are the worst possible thing because 1) they don't count toward PERS retirement, 2) they don't compound, 3) they don't scale based on income
For example, a $500 raise bumps up pensions by $10 for every year you're at BART. If you work 25 years, that's $250. If you live 20 years after retiring that's $5,000 extra in pension. A $500 "bonus" just gives you $500 one time and that's it.
That's why its called a Bonus
That's why its called a Bonus and its a one time thing. Companies use it to reward employees for a job well done. A salary increase instead of a bonus, though is good for the employee, gets the company to commit to that amount for years to come. On top of that your unions are strong and its not easy to let go off people in bad times. So organizations like BART have to be very careful when they commit to high salaries and benefits.
Electronic Tech, I really
Electronic Tech, I really appreciate your honest assessment of the proposed contract.
which union are you in?
which union are you in?
SEIU. I have to admit, I
SEIU. I have to admit, I have seen both proposals (ATU, SEIU) from management, and they are like night and day. We loose hardly nothing, but ATU is loosing a lot. Could just be false info being passed around though.
I have the SEIU agreement,
I have the SEIU agreement, but haven't seen the ATU agreement, can you send me a copy if I give you my e-mail address?
Ive seen SEIU and ATUs
Ive seen SEIU and ATUs tentative agreement too.... In want areas to you believe ATU lost?
SEIUs tentative agreement is on their site - www.seiubart.org
Maybe it's just worded wrong,
Maybe it's just worded wrong, but under the MPP for ATU is says they will suspened it during the last two years of the contract. I don't have it in front of me so I can't remember what else.
Ok, clarification. ATU has
Ok, clarification. ATU has Vacation days and Holiday days they must furlough. They also have thier MPP suspended during the last 2 years of the contract. SEIU dosen't have these provisions. Why? We gave up certain work rules. ATU chose not to give up some work rules and in turn has to furlough and lost MPP.
Master queef...So , your now
Master queef...So , your now being a sarcastic douche because they reached an agreement , did not strike and they worked with the district to close the budget issue? You smash on the unions for being greedy then smash on them when they play ball , your a troll... A well practiced and well worded one but a troll none the less.
See you in another 4 years
Not so fast, I don't think
Not so fast, I don't think the contract will be passed by the unions. Back to the table they go. At least the economy is turning around and BART can't hold that over their workers head.
If the Unions do not pass
If the Unions do not pass this agreement, i think its gonna be a mess. If the agreement gets voted on, it will mean that the workers and the unions understand whats going on around them and accept the reality. Atleast I do not think that anybody caved in.
joined a union. the Local
joined a union. the Local Laborers Union, i'm guaranteed around $10/hr. i paid my union fee to join. and that's about the end of it.
i do feel like if i ever wanted to join/continue, that it would be open to me.
never worked 1 day though so im thinking i get a break on my past dues(i might owe from joining date to today if i show up at 4-5am at the union hall waiting for a job.)
for realz never worked a union day. it is open and there for me, the laborers union, no hard worker misses out.
The economy isn't turning
The economy isn't turning around.
Unemployment is still sky high.
Where do you get this crap from?
You attack me for not providing "proof" for all my comments, and then post nonsense like this?
PUH-LEASE!
Train operators I spoke to
Train operators I spoke to are not pleased with what they are hearing regarding the contract and told me they would vote against it. I don't know what any of the contracts look like, but am just going on word of mouth from others.
Not sure what would happen,
Not sure what would happen, but I just pray nobody gets laid off. This is the worst thing that can happen to anybody at this time.