Does the public really have a distorted view of what BART employees do?

If everyone's view of training and the jobs that TOs, SAs, and cleaners do is so distorted, why aren't any of the many BART employees here creating blog posts to explain what that's like for the "ignorant" masses? I see a hell of a lot of accusations of "distorted views" and "ignorance" but virtually no effort on the part of BART employees to do a little education.
It'd be nice if somebody would step up to the plate and make a detailed blog post about what job training entails, and what a normal day on the job is like for a train operator, a station agent, and a train cleaner. And not some bullshit story about "OMG ONE TIME THERE WAS A SUICIDE EWWW", but just a normal day.

I am horribly curious what
I am horribly curious what kind of job you have that you know so much about what everyone else should be doing, and making, and what's difficult and what's not.
I've been riding BART for a
I've been riding BART for a long time, and have had plenty of time to observe TOs and SAs at work. I'm sure I don't know all the intimate details of each job, but I haven't heard anything from anyone here that challenges any of my assumptions.
It also doesn't take a particularly vivid imagination to picture what it would be like to clean vomit from a train floor.
I currently work in a "creative" job where I'm in front of a computer all day and have significant downtime. I've worked in other "creative" jobs in the past, done a little light management, and even worked for a transit system in a different area for 6 months before I moved into a different career direction.
But what I do, and what I think, isn't the issue here. I'd like to hear from some real BART employees about their jobs, and I'd like to see some of them use this as an opportunity to clear the air and dispel some of what they say are misunderstandings about what their jobs entail.
The problem is, if we get too
The problem is, if we get too detailed then management will punish us for even posting. I would say, as an example, however, that the $70K starting salary Senior Financial Analyst job description is fairly accurate. I know someone in this job. This job is open now, by the way.
1) Participates and/or Assists in the more difficult work of staff responsible for complex financial, statistical and program management analysis in assigned division area.
(i.e. does statistical research, using various software tools, probably has to write SQL queries, probably has to know Excel extensively, i.e. a lot more than just summing columns)
2) Analyzes contract provisions and change orders related to approved cost of work and budget allocations; analyzes and reports cost variances, ensures that cost control methods are implemented and applied to program objectives
(i.e. makes sure fed and state rules are followed)
3) Participates and/or Assists in the preparation and administration of District-wide budgets; compiles and analyzes budget data; monitors funding agreements and maintains budget schedules to assure conformance with funding agencies; ensures maintenance of expenditure records which conform to funding agency and District reporting requirements.
(i.e. fills out lots of paperwork, does lots of record keeping, pulls that information when requested by the State, Feds, or media)
4) Identifies funding sources for proposed projects; projects cash flow requirements; maintains budgetary records for proposed projects.
(i.e. seeks out sources of money, then sends that information on to the higher ups who "schmooze" for it)
5) Provides support to project managers in setting budgets, schedules and estimates; tracks progress on projects versus original budgets and schedules.
(i.e. does hand-holding for lower level managers who don't know budgeting or basic accounting, especially people with a shop-oriented background)
6) Develops and recommends improvements to computerized financial management system, as well as coordinates project activities with other departments, divisions and external agencies; monitors work in progress and authorizes contract payments.
(i.e. attends tons of meetings and comes up with ways to streamline and improve the processes)
7) Conducts financial and management studies to evaluate system performance and operating efficiencies; presents studies to communicate findings and recommendations to senior management and the Board of Directors.
(i.e. lots of political B.S., but time-consuming nonetheless)
8) Prepares analytical and statistical reports on operations and activities as well as reviews invoices; determines budget conformity; reports discrepancies and billing adjustments.
(i.e. looks for irregularities, duplicates, accounting mistakes by others, expenditures over/under budget, etc.)
People don't care about
People don't care about financial officers and that kind of thing.
People want to know average wages for full-time Train Operators, Station Agents, and whatever the term is for the people who clean the trains. From what I've read, starting pay for those jobs, at full time, is around $62k. I don't know if that includes the money that BART puts into their pension & retirement funds or not.
You will never get a straight
You will never get a straight answer out of them, just like they never had any answer to any of other issues. They will just keep harping about how their life sucks at BART, but would still want to keep working for this shit organization and make tons and tons of money and still want more.
Hey Bart workers, if you want start a blood drive and suck the blood out of BART riders. Thats all thats left to do.
I hate to be such a hater,
I hate to be such a hater, but so far you're 100% correct.
I don't know how much more direct I can be about asking what, exactly, is so goddamn hard about these jobs, and I'm getting NOTHING in response.
23 replies to this thread, and not ONE of them actually answers the question I asked.
I have family members who are
I have family members who are also members of the Union (SEIU) fighting for a new contract at BART and they are high voltage electricians. This is a highly skilled job, in fact, you must be a journeyman (over 5-7 years of experience) to even get hired. This job is VERY VERY dangerous as a number of workers have died (hit by trains) and or have been seriously electrocuted. I think that the public has been ignorant about the many different kinds of workers that are in the Union. It is easy to simplify it and say "oh I could be a station agent" but most cannot step in and be high voltage electricians or train mechanics.
I agree with that 100%, and
I agree with that 100%, and that is one of the ways that Management tries to mislead the public, by making it seem like everyone who is represented by the unions is a TO or SA or cleaner.
I can see why this would be frustrating for union members, since most of the public rage is directed at TOs, SAs, & cleaners, but it gets inappropriately applied to electricians and mechanics who actually have difficult/dangerous jobs that take a lot of training and demand some pretty strenuous physical labor.
...and considering train
...and considering train operators, station agents and system service (janitors) make up the majority of the unions it really comes as no surprise the media slants the story for such a limited group of individuals.
I do believe BART employees are paid extremely well. Those employees who think otherwise have been at BART for years and have not tried to find employment. It is not an easy task at all.
I do agree with TO9, the operators have a huge amount of responsibility, yet the public just a fraction of what they are trained to do and do it safely everyday. You (maybe) hear an announcement or see an operator close a door. Beyond that I am sure many say to themselves, "oh that's easy I can do that." The job is much more than that.
Having gone through the training we had a handful of individuals wash out the first week. These were supposedly "qualified" people! There are some very good operators at BART, many that I am glad to call a co-worker. I don't think anything said by an operator in the form of a blog would really change the opinions formed by some.
"The job is much more than
"The job is much more than that."
Then why won't any of the TOs who post here make a fucking blog entry detailing what the hell it is that they do that's so damn difficult?!?
You people fucking piss and moan about the public not understanding what you do, and then you make NO EFFORT AT ALL to educate them, even when they fucking ask directly!
You guys want transparency from BART management, but you won't even bother to tell people what the hell you do when they ask?
Actually there is a post
Actually there is a post somewhere on here that pretty much give you a description of what an operator does on a average day if I can find it I will let you know.
I am a train inspector in one
I am a train inspector in one of the maintenance yards.I have been at Bart for Twenty years this November.I came to Bart immediately after the 1989 quake as a journeyman mechanic.I have several certifications in mechanical fields.
One of the reasons for accepting a job here at the time were the benefits, not the pay. Although the pay was good, it was not above what I was able to make as a mechanic on the outside. The health, dental, and vacation benefits on the other hand were better.
In the past several contracts, We {as in union rank and file} have been publicly bashed each contract year by newspapers and news broadcasts, claiming everything from us being overpaid, underworked, to undereducated. Yet when a contract is not being settled, these same people fail to point out how Bart has enjoyed the best safety record in American rail transit. And who exactly is responsible for that. I can assure you the answer to that is not management nor Liton Johnson. It is the blue collar rank and file you can thank for that.
The most resent problems Bart trains have had, such as, main line failures that cause delays to the riding public, come directly from bad maintenance decisions by inept managers. They have shifted much needed funding from acquiring parts needed to correctly repair the trains, and choose to instead, defer maintenance until parts fail. Not only does this cause more inconvenience to the riders, but to have to inspect and repair the same train over and over again, causes what management tells you are, high labor maintenance costs.
Sometimes to defer maintenance is not a choice, but here it seems to be the normal practice. I hate to take this opportunity to point out how deferring maintenance effects everyone. In lite of the recent tragic accident in Washington { see "Washington metro"], if this practice continues down the same road, Bart will be the next tragic news headline.
Again, people are not talking
Again, people are not talking about mechanics and engineers.
Public outrage is centered on station agents, train operators, and train cleaners.
And I agree with you that more funds should be allocated to maintenance and repair.
It seems ridiculous that people blame the mechanics & engineers for train problems, when it is clearly a lack of parts & funding that keep the trains in bad condition and not the work of the mechanics & engineers.
The problem is that everyone
The problem is that everyone must join the union to work for BART, and everyone gets the same raise.
For a TO or SA, this is a pretty sweet deal since they are pulling down more money than everyone except the most senior managers. For everyone else, it means the longer we stay at BART the further behind we fall.
For example, my friends on the outside, until recently, got 4-5% raises every year and bonuses, while I got 0% and 2%. After 10 years, that adds up.
I consider myself lucky, though, because I'm currently working a second job which is getting ready to hire and, when they do, I can jump ship. I just have decide whether I'm angry enough to first burn through all of the sick leave I've never used over the years (several months total) before quitting.
"The problem is that everyone
"The problem is that everyone must join the union to work for BART, and everyone gets the same raise."
that is why unions are dumb. everyone should NOT get the same raise. the good people should get more, the bad people should get less or get fired.
Yes, but you are MISSING THE
Yes, but you are MISSING THE POINT. EVERYONE at BART, except for a few managers, is lumped in with the Station Agents and Trains Operators in terms of HAVING NO CHOICE but to be in the Union. That means the electricians, mechanics,engineers, programmers, structural experts, etc. get the same raises and benefits as they do, even though they pay less dues because their base salary is lower (and most of us make less money than the TO's, SA's, etc. because we're not allowed to work that kind of overtime).
This means, if you cut pay and/or benefits from unskilled workers, they are also automatically cut from the highly skilled workers.
In some ways, this puts BART in a bind. For example, electrician is a highly skilled job and an electrician can earn decent money in the private sector, likely more than they make at BART. BART can attract electricians, though, because of the benefits.
HOWEVER, if BART succeeds in cutting benefits and it purely comes down to pay, a lot of the highly skilled employees are going to go elsewhere. Why would I work at BART for less money than the private sector unless the benefits were better.
Yes, during bad economic times BART may be able to attract skilled people under such conditions, but they will jump ship as soon as things improve.
In other words, would you take $10 an hour less as an electrician to earn super benefits--probably. Would you take $10 less than you could get elsewhere if the benefits were the same. Why would you?
That doesn't stop the media
That doesn't stop the media from public displaying my wages in a bad inaccurate way.Why doesn't anyone ask what the management to worker ratio is ,now that would cause public outcry if they knew the truth.
One of the reasons it appears that the rank and file seem to make so much money, is that overtime money is reflected in the numbers. If management didn't choose to under staff positions the way they do, money for working above and beyond 40 hrs a week would not drive the figures to look the way they do. Then you would be hard pressed claim " THOSE OVERPAID GREEDY UNION WORKERS".
If that's true, then why are
If that's true, then why are the BART employees who post here so reluctant to actually explain what they do every day and put down real wage numbers?
All we see here is lots of denial, with very little evidence.
Real wage numbers? Look at
Real wage numbers? Look at any of the Bay Area news sites that info was posted yesterday and is broken down.
Do you have a link? I just
Do you have a link?
I just searched the KTVU site and didn't find that information.
Where can I go to see base pay (not including health care) for each of the different jobs within BART?
You can't, AFAIK. You can,
You can't, AFAIK. You can, however, find the SEIU contract which has the pay scales. I think I was unable to find the ATU contracts the last time I looked.
I've commented on this before. On the MUNI website you can find the contracts for each of the unions. On the SF Gov website (sfgov.org), you can find all the pay scales for all the civil service jobs in the city. You can look up the AC Transit pay scales for all of their job classifications on the AC Transit site. Ditto VTA jobs. A bit more work can land you the Golden Gate Transit rates. BART is far more closeted about these things than other transit agencies.
http://www.contracostatimes.c
http://www.contracostatimes.com/ci_12682351?source=most_viewed
A full database is on Contra Costa times (which must feel almost like invasion of privacy for BART workers....I don't think they they knew that such information would be available to any joe blow that wants to look up their name).
So the part time TO will top
So the part time TO will top out at about $44k per year in overall compensation? And you're stuck at part time for how long?
1-5 years and I did not make
1-5 years and I did not make $44k.
OH NO!!!!! ONLY $44K FOR PART
OH NO!!!!!
ONLY $44K FOR PART TIME WORK?!?!?!?
How UNBEARABLE!!!!!
It's not like that's more than most people get paid for FULL TIME work or anything.
Excuse me for not pitying these people, but $44k is a hell of a lot for part time trained labor.
Hell, most people I know with college degrees make less than $40K, and they're working full time.
WOW. Looks like the average
WOW.
Looks like the average car cleaner makes between $46-$56k + overtime.
Since I don't know how to
Since I don't know how to post a link I will just give you the topic
BART's new labor negotiations site to counter the unions?
scroll all the way down to "TODavis" and that pretty much gives you some insight of what an average day is like at BART "notice I said AVERAGE not normal"
I hope that helps.
http://bartrage.com/node/2025
http://bartrage.com/node/2025#comment-18567
The way you link to a specific comment is to click on the title of that comment, which generates a URL for that specific comment, and then copy the URL from the browser window.
The post you're referring to is good for knowing why BART TO's have the break schedule they do, but it doesn't really do anything to explain what actually goes into operating a train on a regular day, which is what most people want to know.
How much of the system is automated? How much input does the driver have under normal circumstances?
I know that the system can be run manually during emergencies and equipment failures since that's what caused the tunnel crash on February 3rd*, but how do things work when the system is running correctly?
* http://cbs5.com/local/bart.collision.injuries.2.926060.html
The entire system is
The entire system is automated, "Stations and wayside [are a] network of control devices and track circuits controlling train speeds, stops and safe spacing. [The] backup train protection system [is called] Sequential Occupancy Release System (SORS)."*. Since the system system has been expanding since 1972, the wayside equipment is a mix of different technologies depending on the line of service and when that extension was built. It would stand to reason the newest portion of the system is the most reliable, but that is not always the case. I think this can be knocked off to BART trying to save a buck and go with a lower bid on the contract of the wayside equipment.
Everything that happens to a train arriving and departing a station SHOULD be automatic, outside of the doors closing. The train will profile down on approach to a station and stop based on its train length. If the are problems with wayside equipment of something on the train, it could cause the train to start to accelerate possibly causing a "run thru" at which point a train operator must intervene and hit the stop button. The train will then be repositioned at the end of the platform and the operator will then cycle the doors "manually."
If the stop was normal, the train will dwell of a set amount of time, the train operator will hear the door release beep and when safe to do so, close the doors, while scanning both forward and back to make sure the trackway and train are clear. The train will then accelerate out of the station to the next stop.
As for between stations, there are areas called interlockings, which contain groups of switches that are controlled automatically [or manually]. The switches align routes [usually] based on the destination of the train, but can be run by the central computer or controlled "manually" from Central.
There are times when switches won't move, for whatever reasons and require a train operator to intervene. This requires the operator to off board their train, receive instruction from Central and manually insert a crank in the switch and hand crank the necessary route.
In a perfect world the system would run automatically (and reliably) and hopefully on a daily basis this is transparent to the riding public. But as many have experience this is not the case sometimes.
Wow, great post! Very
Wow, great post! Very informative.
So to be frank, on a normal day a TO's job really does consist simply of making sure nobody is standing in the doors, calling out the stops & destination of the train, and pushing a button?
I realize that they have to be extensively trained for safety around high voltage equipment, manual control of the trains in case of a malfunction of the automatic system, and emergency procedures, but it seems like that would get used infrequently at best.
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PS: I love your icon. Did you take that picture?
Well I feel IF we can get
Well I feel IF we can get more correct information to the public, educate the public somewhat about duties and responsibilities that could help quill some of the negativity towards BART employees. Yeah, I understand there are a select few who paint a bleak picture for the majority.
I guess if you break it down to a routine day, where nothing goes wrong, sure the job appears rather simple. Operate a few loops, take a few breaks and a lunch and call it a day. Or for those operators who work in the yards, moving cars, building up trains or break down trains. But the job is more than what it appears on a typical day.
A train operator is responsible for their train, riders and what happens from the time their depart a station until they arrive at their destination. I did not bring up the fact if a train stops moving between stations because of a problem the only person available to troubleshoot is a train operator. They are trained in how to troubleshoot common problems that occur on trains.
The high voltage does not really come into training. It is something to RESPECT at all times. As one operator pointed out on here, there are times they are stepping over the energized rail or need to be wary of all the collector shoes being energized even if a few cars or shoes on the opposite side of a car are not in contract with the energized rail. That is just part of the job.
Along with written tests during training, operators learn the ins and outs of the system. You practice troubleshooting on the train, you practice operating the trains, sometimes during revenue service. You learn how to crank routes manually. You drill on what happens if you stop with smoke, such as underground in the tube or in the Berkley Hills Tunnel. In conjunction with a final exam after training, you must pass a practical exam, where you must ready a train and then perform different emergency procedures. After passing these two steps you must then face a certification board that will ask you a series of questions.
But I would think it is the hope of the operator and sort of the expectation of the patron that all you see them do is close the doors and make announcements. That is a win win situation for everyone involved.
As for the pavatar. I cut, cropped and saved it from the Internet.
Thank you Return ATO for
Thank you Return ATO for coming to the aide of defending us the TRAIN OPERATORS........i wonder if Master chief can handle the pressures of NOT CLOSING DOORS ON PATRONS OR THE POSSIBILITIES OF DRAGGING A PATRON OR THE POSSIBILITIES OS A SUICIDE OR THE POSSIBILITIES OF EVACUATING A COMMUTER TRAIN IN THE TBT OR BHT OR THE POSSIBILITIES OF FIXING A BROKEN TRAIN ON MAINLINE OR THE POSSIBILITIES OF A MEDICAL EMERGENCY ON MAINLINE OR GETTING OUT OF THE TRAIN ON MAINLINE TO CRANK AND CLIMBING BACK IN OR THE POSSIBILITIES OF REPORTING HAZARDS IN THE TRACKWAY OR WAYSIDE OR FOR THAT MATTER CAR COLLISIONS WE WITNESS OR ROBBERIES ON TRAINS OR POLICE HOLDS OR LOST CHILDREN/SENIOR PASSENGERS OR .....
There are many things an
There are many things an operator needs to be aware of, along with operating safely at all times. You bring up some interesting situations, while not occurring all the time, those things do happen. Thankfully, the train operators are well trained in emergency procedures and how to troubleshoot the train. I am just trying to help. Thanks.
I wonder if MzOperator can
I wonder if MzOperator can handle the pressure of not typing in all caps?
I thought the hardest part of
I thought the hardest part of the TO job was physically assembling the trains PRIOR to the runs and changing cars around, etc., or is that done by someone else?
All train operators are also
All train operators are also yard operators.....one works mainline and the other works in the yard and may have to take a train on mainline (during their shift).....yard operators disassemble and assemble trains in the yard and take out replacement trains to where ever they may be needed (and much more depending on their shift and yard working) .......no train operator is one or the other (although some believe they are) they are capable of both positions and do both positions.......
The number one function of a
The number one function of a train operator while out on mainline is to keep the train moving. 99% of what the public sees is the easiest part of that, which is closing the doors. (actually, it is an kinda an art during commute. there's a 2-3 second delay between you pushing the button and the doors closing. timing it so you don't catch people and cause a door open can be tricky.) What you don't see behind the cab door is everything else that is going. I know it just looks like we're sitting there enjoying the view, maybe we'll pick up that phone looking thing or push a button here or there, but that's because most of the work we do is mental. Let's just take one example of something that does occur quite often, the train stopping between stations. As soon as my train starts slowing down I start trying to identify why. Am I getting close to a train ahead (SORS), is there an interlocking coming up (gate stop), is there a problem with the train (brake on, SET, door open, no power, etc.). Each one of these myriad of possibilities leads to another checklist of steps, which leads to more possibilities and more steps until the problem is identified and resolved. So how do I know what is causing my train to stop? No annoying beeping, so it's not a brake on. No annunciators on my console, so it's not a door open, loss of third rail power, or something worse. (We won't go into those, because the explanation of possibilities would be so long, this is long enough and it's for something simple) Well, is it during a time of day when there is normally a train a couple minutes ahead of me? If yes, I just wait a minute until it gets a little further ahead and the train will go on it's own. If not, do I have zeros as a command speed or double dashes? Are the NZSC's lit or off? If the NZSC's are lit, check the LCD for a SET. If there's a SET, go through that checklist to fix it. No SET? Am I coming up on an interlocking or electronic gate? If so, call central and see if they can put up your route. Hopefully the most you'll need are road manual orders which lead to another checklist of thing to do. But that beats the hell out of cranking. All that plays out in a manner of seconds and occurs countless times a day. Sometimes it's as simple as a SORS or gate stop, other times it can be as complex as a breaker tripping somewhere in your ten car train that gives odd annunciators and your train won't let move. (Which has happened to me. That is one of the many that is only learned through experience.) This is just one example of an everyday occurence, we haven't even touched on emergencies, how to evacuate from various locations, how to troubleshoot mechanical problems, or working the train yards. We are paid for all this information to be stored, organized and applied while having the pressure of having THOUSANDS of people waiting on you. You have the people on you train, central calling, all the trains behind you that are stuck until you figure it out and fix it, trains going the other way may be held in case you fail and they have to single track around you. However, all anyone sees is us closing the doors.
It's all about perception.
It's all about perception. Outside people always thought my job was easy.
My comment was always, go apply.. Who wouldn't want a so called easy job. The only one that did, dropped out of the Station Agent program after 10 weeks of training.
Thanks for the posts, but it
Thanks for the posts, but it still sounds pretty easy.
Is going through a checklist really that difficult?
M.C. after several post, no
M.C. after several post, no one has answered the question to your liking. If you are so interested in what station agents and train operators do, read the job description or better yet, GO APPLY. Hopefully then all of your questions will be answered.
When did I say that the job
When did I say that the job description wasn't adequate?
I asked if following a checklist was difficult, not for clarification on the job description.
And nobody has gone down what a Station Agent does yet.
Sometime later this week I'll go through the descriptions provided here and see if I can make one clear, concise post that can explain the daily duties of a TO for other people to see.
It'd be nice to get more information about training though.
Is it a classroom setting? How are the tests administered? How big are the manuals/booklets you are responsible for memorizing? Etc.
enoughwiththis, great stuff!
enoughwiththis, great stuff! I think you hit a few key points within your post. You are quite informative, yet some of the "BART speak" used will probably lead to more questions that will require you to go into more detail...LOL. Nonetheless, I think you make some important points. The ridership doesn't really know what goes on in the cab. You must do everything you mentioned constantly. Last thing you want is your train to stop and not know why. That causes delays and patrons won't get to where they are going on-time. Much of what you discuss is based on experience.
SET = SYSTEM ERROR
SET = SYSTEM ERROR TERMINATION, kind of a computer crash. they have numbers that identify what kind of error like a 9100 SET or a 6100 SET. there are techs that know the details of each kind of SET.
NZSC = NON ZERO SPEED CODES, self explanatory. there are 3 lights on the console and when 2 of them are lit you have speed codes and your train should move.
LCD = liquid crystal display, where all of the train related info is displayed on the console.
Thanks for the code
Thanks for the code information, it's very helpful.
What does a TO do in the case of a 9100 SET or 6100 SET?
Is that a situation where you have to call in and have a mechanic meet you at a station, or are some of those errors things that TOs can fix themselves?
I know TOs sometimes have to take manual control of the trains - what kind of situations require that?
clearly there is a lot more
clearly there is a lot more to the TO job than what the passengers see, and the job clearly requires actual training. still, i'm left with the feeling that driving a Muni or AC Transit bus is much more challenging and stressful. Consider this:
if you're a bus driver, you are in direct contact with passengers all day long, you are responsible for collecting fares and enforcing behavior, you are 100% responsible for the operation of your vehicle in mixed flow traffic with unpredictable pedestrians, drivers, and bicyclists.
if you're a BART train operator, you are mostly inside your locked command pod and only have to communicate with passengers via intercom; fare collection and enforcement are somebody else's job, your vehicle is almost always controlled by central computer, and you operate on an exclusive right-of-way on which you never have to worry about interference non-BART traffic.
I wonder which job pays more?
MUNI and AC Transit bus
MUNI and AC Transit bus operators are paid far less than TOs, and I would have to agree that their jobs are more difficult. I have seen MUNI drivers be physically assaulted by passengers and have to break up fights on their busses, and I have never seen a TO assaulted or even harassed by passengers.
To be fair, that kind of thing happens very, very infrequently on MUNI, but it does happen on occasion.
Except for that one TO, who
Except for that one TO, who felt the need to overtake a train near Lake Meritt and rammed into the butt of that train. lol
Or that other one who
Or that other one who switched over to manual and sideswiped that train near the 19th St. Oakland station in February.
http://esteybomberger.com/blog/2009/02/04/13-people-injured-tuesday-afternoon-in-bart-train-crash-in-downtown-oakland/
Moving trains in manual mode
Moving trains in manual mode (with the human fact involved) there is ALWAYS a chance for something to go wrong.
Yeah. Honestly if I was a TO
Yeah.
Honestly if I was a TO I would be scared to death to switch into manual.
Since so much of the system is automated, it would be really easy to get hit by an automated train that doesn't know you're there and whose TO isn't paying attention.