So, should they? I say yes because it'd prevent blocking of doors and aisles, which is commonly seen on BART. If Caltrain can do it, so should BART. Any arguments?
Submitted by TreoBART on Mon, 07/21/2008 - 7:23pm.
sorry shrap I'm gonna have to disagree with ya again. I think the big pretty picture and lean bar on the new cars encourages people not to pull stupid stunts like propping their bike up on one wheel in the doorway. People are stupid but they respond a litle better to pretty pictures. Having or not having designated spots won't encourage people to bike more and I'm not convinced bike lockers will discourage bikes on the train. Might as well bike on both ends if you are going to the effort anyway.
Solution: have bike racks like Caltrain's and limit how many bikes per car (i.e. four per car maximum, have them bungeed down.). I don't think that designated spots for bikes will increase bikers that much.
Submitted by under_the_black_flag on Tue, 07/22/2008 - 11:50am.
My solution to the bike problem is a bike permit. You would have to apply and pay for a permit. If you violate any of BART's bike rules the permit can be revoke. This would solve the a lot of the problems and would generate income for BART.
I would call for an immediate ban on bikes for the next 45 days, much like they have for the Segways. This would allow people with bikes time to apply and pay for a permit. I am thinking 50.00 a year to bring your bike on BART.
No, daily passes for bikes. I remember when agents had to do that back in the day. That would create more problems then it would be worth.
Submitted by bikesonbart on Tue, 07/22/2008 - 12:13pm.
I would gladly pay $50 per year for full access to the system. That means no blackout periods. BART would have to provide capacity for me and my bike at all times, including commute. Hell, I might even pay $100.
Reality says that even with a registration system in place it would not be enforced. The system can't even prevent fare evaders today.
Submitted by bart_rider on Mon, 07/21/2008 - 9:36pm.
Bikes have never really bothered me. There should be a designated area for GIGNORMOUS LUGGAGE and the hippos it goes with, unruly kids that stick their gum all over the seats and stinky HOBOS. This luggage blocks the isles, blocks the doors and I'm sure it's flammable so it isn't safe to even have it on the train in the first place. If people can't block the doors, why do they let luggage block the doors and the seats so people can't sit down. I can't believe some of these airport people taking up four seats on a five-car train. The friggin nerve.
Submitted by rafa1215 on Mon, 07/21/2008 - 9:54pm.
Hell Yes!! Put the bikers and the airport (big luggage) people together in one car. Preferably the last car. Can you imagine how much more space thats going to save on the passenger cars?
Wait a sec. If I have time I'm going to google this - Aren't there other cities that have passenger trains that stop at airports? How do they handle people with luggage? Aren't there other passenger trains that allow bikes on their trains? Do they make them load up in a single car? How do they handle those situations? What are the pros and cons? I think I'd like to find out.
Submitted by Alouwishes Jenkins on Tue, 07/22/2008 - 8:10am.
I took a look at other transit systems, and we are a little bit more laxed in certain areas. Most systems will not allow you to bring your bike on the trains during commute times, and others have a two bike limit in a single car, but no first car restrictions.
NYCT urges bike riders to use the express trains. They have bigger stations and roomier subway cars. These trains have fewer stops, which means there is less boarding and exiting.
Submitted by transit troublemaker on Tue, 07/22/2008 - 2:28pm.
several disparate issues here
1. when bikes were ghettoed in the last car in the bike pass era, they were a more obvious target for thugs.
2. lockers have been a persistent problem--not enough, insufficient security etc. Recent addition of locking facilities WITHIN fare control is a good move.
3. lockers etc do not provide for use at both ends of a trip.
4. all the whining about rude bicyclists notwithstanding they are greener than those who drive to/from BART.
5. BART needs a thorough rethink of car layout. the current design is slow entry/exit cushy long ride--the actual ridership is more short run. Now if the pax would learn to BE at the dors when the train pulls in...
Submitted by boopiejones on Tue, 07/22/2008 - 5:11pm.
to reply to a couple of your points:
2 and 3) if lockers were easier to use, such as guaranteed that i would have one that is all mine (or at least all mine until 10:00 like a parking permit) i would definitely use one. while lockers don't provide for bike use at both ends, they definitely serve a big need, suck as those who work within walking distance of a station but don't live within walking distance of their departure station. i would venture to guess that 75% or more of bart patrons match this description.
4) rude is rude. you dont get a free pass just because you are green.
Submitted by GradeA_Snailporn on Thu, 07/24/2008 - 11:12am.
As a bike rider that takes bart 3-5 days a week. I have to say it wouldn't be bad idea to have designated spots for bicycles. I never get on bart during the times bicycles aren't permitted, but there are times where the train is just packed with a good amount of people, that i feel as if my bicycle gets into peoples way. Most of the time i try to squeeze against the handicap wall but often times there are people standing there, or peoples luggage are placed there. Btw, i do like those new redesigned trains that actually say "bicycle parking" but i rarely get into those trains. As for bicycle parking at bart stations, they dont always work; for me at least, i ride my bike to bart, and from bart i ride to my destination.
So, should they? I say yes
So, should they? I say yes because it'd prevent blocking of doors and aisles, which is commonly seen on BART. If Caltrain can do it, so should BART. Any arguments?
I say absolutely not! It
I say absolutely not!
It will encourage bikes in crowded cars, bikes on escalators, and all the problems that come with additional bikers in the system!
I totally support additional bike lockers at stations, bike parking in the paid area, and so fourth. But not additional space on trains for bikes.
sorry shrap I'm gonna have to
sorry shrap I'm gonna have to disagree with ya again. I think the big pretty picture and lean bar on the new cars encourages people not to pull stupid stunts like propping their bike up on one wheel in the doorway. People are stupid but they respond a litle better to pretty pictures. Having or not having designated spots won't encourage people to bike more and I'm not convinced bike lockers will discourage bikes on the train. Might as well bike on both ends if you are going to the effort anyway.
Solution: have bike racks
Solution: have bike racks like Caltrain's and limit how many bikes per car (i.e. four per car maximum, have them bungeed down.). I don't think that designated spots for bikes will increase bikers that much.
My solution to the bike
My solution to the bike problem is a bike permit. You would have to apply and pay for a permit. If you violate any of BART's bike rules the permit can be revoke. This would solve the a lot of the problems and would generate income for BART.
I would call for an immediate ban on bikes for the next 45 days, much like they have for the Segways. This would allow people with bikes time to apply and pay for a permit. I am thinking 50.00 a year to bring your bike on BART.
No, daily passes for bikes. I remember when agents had to do that back in the day. That would create more problems then it would be worth.
UTBF
I would gladly pay $50 per
I would gladly pay $50 per year for full access to the system. That means no blackout periods. BART would have to provide capacity for me and my bike at all times, including commute. Hell, I might even pay $100.
Reality says that even with a registration system in place it would not be enforced. The system can't even prevent fare evaders today.
Bikes have never really
Bikes have never really bothered me. There should be a designated area for GIGNORMOUS LUGGAGE and the hippos it goes with, unruly kids that stick their gum all over the seats and stinky HOBOS. This luggage blocks the isles, blocks the doors and I'm sure it's flammable so it isn't safe to even have it on the train in the first place. If people can't block the doors, why do they let luggage block the doors and the seats so people can't sit down. I can't believe some of these airport people taking up four seats on a five-car train. The friggin nerve.
Hell Yes!! Put the bikers and
Hell Yes!! Put the bikers and the airport (big luggage) people together in one car. Preferably the last car. Can you imagine how much more space thats going to save on the passenger cars?
Wait a sec. If I have time I'm going to google this - Aren't there other cities that have passenger trains that stop at airports? How do they handle people with luggage? Aren't there other passenger trains that allow bikes on their trains? Do they make them load up in a single car? How do they handle those situations? What are the pros and cons? I think I'd like to find out.
I took a look at other
I took a look at other transit systems, and we are a little bit more laxed in certain areas. Most systems will not allow you to bring your bike on the trains during commute times, and others have a two bike limit in a single car, but no first car restrictions.
NYCT urges bike riders to use the express trains. They have bigger stations and roomier subway cars. These trains have fewer stops, which means there is less boarding and exiting.
several disparate issues
several disparate issues here
1. when bikes were ghettoed in the last car in the bike pass era, they were a more obvious target for thugs.
2. lockers have been a persistent problem--not enough, insufficient security etc. Recent addition of locking facilities WITHIN fare control is a good move.
3. lockers etc do not provide for use at both ends of a trip.
4. all the whining about rude bicyclists notwithstanding they are greener than those who drive to/from BART.
5. BART needs a thorough rethink of car layout. the current design is slow entry/exit cushy long ride--the actual ridership is more short run. Now if the pax would learn to BE at the dors when the train pulls in...
to reply to a couple of your
to reply to a couple of your points:
2 and 3) if lockers were easier to use, such as guaranteed that i would have one that is all mine (or at least all mine until 10:00 like a parking permit) i would definitely use one. while lockers don't provide for bike use at both ends, they definitely serve a big need, suck as those who work within walking distance of a station but don't live within walking distance of their departure station. i would venture to guess that 75% or more of bart patrons match this description.
4) rude is rude. you dont get a free pass just because you are green.
Take a look at these rules.
Take a look at these rules. What do you think? Can bart copy this? Will it work? Oh by the way these trains go to their airport.
http://www.mbta.com/riding_the_t/bikes/
http://www.njtransit.com/rg/rg_servlet.srv?hdnPageAction=BikeProgramTo
http://www.mtamaryland.com/services/subway/general/
As a bike rider that takes
As a bike rider that takes bart 3-5 days a week. I have to say it wouldn't be bad idea to have designated spots for bicycles. I never get on bart during the times bicycles aren't permitted, but there are times where the train is just packed with a good amount of people, that i feel as if my bicycle gets into peoples way. Most of the time i try to squeeze against the handicap wall but often times there are people standing there, or peoples luggage are placed there. Btw, i do like those new redesigned trains that actually say "bicycle parking" but i rarely get into those trains. As for bicycle parking at bart stations, they dont always work; for me at least, i ride my bike to bart, and from bart i ride to my destination.