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Shrapnel's picture

to people with disabilities, seniors, pregnancies, and others who may need special access to the train doors. Thank you for helping keep BART trains accessible to everyone. Thank you."

If you've been around BARTRage for a while, you might remember this, this, or this discussion about not giving up seats to pregnant women.

Well, now BART is making it official policy to ask patrons to do just that.

What are your feelings on this?

Why is it so damn hard to get

Why is it so damn hard to get your ass up.

This is for all the guys out there before you comment back take one minute and think. If a female in your family had this problem how would you react?

Now go ahead and comment.

I'm appalled that people

I'm appalled that people aren't giving up their seats to pregnant women all the time. It's a matter of pure compassion, not to mention that it's polite.

A.T.'s picture

I say it's a shame that some

I say it's a shame that some people have to get the heat turned up on them just so they'll obey the rules. I guess they don't care about others unless it benefits them. How many tickets/citations have been issued for eating/drinking violations? I'll bet at least a hundred.

Shrapnel's picture

How many tickets/citations

How many tickets/citations have been issued for eating/drinking violations? I'll bet at least a hundred.

Per day? Double that.

silver worm's picture

I think the jackasses that

I think the jackasses that don't give up their seat to a soon to be mommy are the same lazy f*@kers that use the escalators! While we are on the subject of "I can't believe BART had to make announcements"... Why in the hell do they have to add "No Graffiti" to the No eating, drinking, smoking signs. If you are going to do that, add No fare evading, fighting, nail clipping, vomiting, feet on the seat, spitting, panhandling, jacking off, pissing, craping, gambling, stealing, bitching out your babies daddy on the cell phone and standing on the left side of the escalators if you are qualified to use them! Thanks for riding BART. Now give up your seat before you get your a$$ kicked by some pregnant lady.

Please feel free to add to my list. I'll include it on the "We appreciate your comment" card.

icrew's picture

I solve this by never sitting

I solve this by never sitting in the seats near the train doors--if a car is otherwise full, I'll just stand.

There is one exception--if I'm only going one stop and no one else is sitting there by the time the doors close.

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My thoughts exactly. I'm

My thoughts exactly. I'm pretty sure I posted this exact same sentiment on at least 2 other threads on giving up seats for those who need them. It's not that I don't want to give up my seat for someone who needs it... I really do. I'm just uncomfortable making the decision who needs it and who doesn't since a lot of times the person who wants to sit won't ask and will be offended if I imply they are old/pregnant/unable to stand when they feel they can handle it on their own. I pay attention when I am on the train, and if someone looks at me like they want my seat or politely asks, they can have it. But that requires speech and eye contact, both of which seem to be forbidden on BART.

I just ask if they want to

I just ask if they want to sit down.

I agree. I think it is about

I agree. I think it is about time BART made this an official policy. Better late than never. But I doubt people will comply. Just like the fictional "No eating, drinking, playing loud music" rule ;)

In my opinion, I don’t think

In my opinion, I don’t think anything will change. If people won’t give up seats to the other groups, why would they give up a seat to pregnant women? BART can announce this until their blue in the face but it won’t change behavior. It really comes down as a morality issue.

On a funny note, maybe pregnant women should put on their sexy shirts showcasing the “girls” before getting on BART. I did that one day, and I had not one but three men offer me a seat while they stood over me. Amazing! Before I did this, I never could get a seat during rush hour commute even when I asked. And I have MS and walk (if you call it that) with a cane.

I no longer ride BART during the rush hour commute because I’m out on permanent disability from work. I take the train into SF for doctors appointments that I schedule during off-peak travel times. I now get a seat and don’t have to worry about dressing like a hoochie mama, begging, or looking like I’m about really to go postal on someone’s ass!

There are some good people out there, don’t get me wrong. Those with a moral compass will offer the seat without hearing the announcement. Those without the moral compass (the morons) will not hear or care to hear the announcement. Those are the ones that need to be sited if BART truly intends for this to work. Hey Shrapnel, ready to go undercover on this one? :)

A.T.'s picture

-shakes his head in shame- It

-shakes his head in shame-
It seems that some people have a serious problem with equal curtousy. And this one happens to be, "The lust of the eyes".

rafa1215's picture

How about the "pretend I'm

How about the "pretend I'm asleep routine"? I hate people who pull that. Somehow they magically awaken when the TO announces their stop.

I would have to say, "Nothing

I would have to say, "Nothing will come of this!" Remember when BART went into the no eating or drinking mode-Zero Tolerance. Nothing really changed. More lip service and little or no enforcement. It would be a good thing, if it was enforced, but if you can't enforce the other policies......

UTBF

When I have a stroller with

When I have a stroller with me, I end up sitting in the seats near the train doors, but I'll stand if someone boards who looks like they need to sit down.

Does having a stroller or other bulky item count as "needing special access to the train doors"?

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I'd say you get second

I'd say you get second priority, pedestrianmama, right after (first tie) seniors and/or disabled. Provided you don't block an extra seat with your stroller.

I have arthritis in my ankle.

I have arthritis in my ankle. I can never tell when it is going to flare up, so I always have a cane. During the no Richmond-Fremont train period after the fire, I'd get on at Union City and the train would already be full. No one would offer me a seat.

One day, I was standing and a very old woman got on at Bayfair. I couldn't help myself and asked the guy sitting in the handicapped seats to please give up his seat to her. He did--but no one bothered to offer me a seat. I thought it was kind of funny, a guy with a cane asking someone to give up his seat for someone else.

I don't always need to sit down--so sometimes I'll just let them know I'm OK with standing. But I do get PO'd when an able-bodied person won't give up the seat to someone that obviously needs it.

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are you a regular rider, same

are you a regular rider, same line/same time every day? the reason i ask is that if i saw you often during my commute, offered my seat once and you declined, i probably wouldn't offer my seat again.

i personally would assume (obviously incorrectly) that you ALWAYS prefer to stand if you were to turn me down once.

...are you a regular rider,

...are you a regular rider, same line/same time every day?

The same line, yes. Though not always at the same time. I've been riding UC to SF for over 13 years, so I recognize most of the people that are regulars. I've made several friends that I ride with when we see one another on the train.

I'm not one of those folks that demand a seat in the handicapped/senior area. On normal morning runs, I get a seat at UC 99% of the time. In the evening, I simply avoid the hassle and ride back to Civic Center and catch the Fremont train there.

There is something about paying $4.95 one-way and being forced to stand the entire trip that bugs me.