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Cost of BART vs. Hybrid

Ok, I know I am gonna be seen as a total retard for saying this stuff, but I am wondering if I had a hybrid, would it be cheaper to drive to work?

I know enough can't be said about the cost of oil and gasoline, but if I were to purchase a Civic hybrid or Prius, I am getting at least 45 mpg; studies have already proven this in real world driving situations. So besides taffic, and putting miles on my car, would it really be that horrible to drive a few days a week? I mean with gas at $4.50/gal if I commuted to somewhere in Oakland, or anywhere within a 45 mile drive I might not do so bad. Of course this excludes driving across any toll bridge or paying for parking. I need to see how much it costs to ride to Oakland from PBP.

well, that's hard to do

well, that's hard to do because the pluses and minuses that come with having a car, any car, are hard to measure and totally dependent on your situation. for me, even if i had a hybrid it wouldn't be cheaper to pay for SF insurance rates, parking fees/tickets/meters, the time it takes for me to find parking, etc. plus the hard-to-measure but important-to-me benefits of getting out and about on foot or on bike rather than sitting in traffic. even if it's not faster to walk or bike (though sometimes it is with traffic!) it's worth it to me to get out.

but then it sucks to try to get heavy groceries, or just a lot of light ones, it sucks to be worried about safety later at night, and it sucks that i have to rent a car to get a wendy's frosty when i crave it!!

so yeah, it's a really personal decision. i like riding bart because i get to use the time sitting in the bart car to read or write, whereas sitting in a car i'd have to stare at the road and essentially waste that time. 2 hours a day on bart for me spent reading is worth more to me than shortening my commute by 20 minutes, because there i'd be wasting that time.

bart_rider's picture

Too many retards on the road

Too many retards on the road these days driving 90+ mph weaving in and out of cars and too many talking on their dam cellphones, eating, putting on make-up, reading, etc., instead of paying attention. Myself, I wish BART would run later than midnight so I could work out before hoping on the train and eliminate even one more reason to drive. There's just too many people on the road and too many people in Contra Costa County now. The developers having ruined everything. Same with San Joaquin County. What a bunch of moron developers building all those houses with no BART. The developers should have been forced to pay for BART before building one single home or coming up with some sort of other transportation for people. Same with Contra Costa County. You can also count on the roads damaging your car because semi trucks make potholes and ripples which damage small cars. BART is much safer than the road. California had better public transportation in the East Bay in 30's and 40's than they do now. I can't believe they are selling Antioch on e-BART, what a joke.

jd2000's picture

You might consider the

You might consider the standard IRS dediction for business mileage as good starting point. This is the government allowing people to not pay taxes (the lifeblood of government) on an amount of money, so you can bet they've put some serious thought into what that number ought to be.

Based largely on recent increases in fuel costs, the IRS is poised to raise that deduction amount to approximately $0.58 per mile. Two things to consider here; (1) that number is designed to include ALL of the costs of owning / operating an average automobile - from car payment, to maintenance, to registration, etc.); and (2) Consumers Union (the non-profit publisher of Consumer Reports) calculates the cost of fuel as 21 percent of the total cost of automobile ownership.

(It should be noted that fuel, which you will buy constantly when you drive regularly, is only the second largest cost of ownership. Put together, insurance and auto loan interest cost slightly more than fuel, and price depreciation costs an auto owner TWICE as much as fuel (assuming you buy new.))

But back to the deduction - if you assume a hybrid is twice as fuel efficient as the "average" car, then you will save 10.5 percent off of that $0.58 per mile cost (half of the 21 percent fuel cost share), putting the total cost of owning a hybrid at 51.9 cents per mile (note: while fuel costs might actually be slightly less than half of "average" that advantage is more than offset by the greater cost of auto purchase.)

And now the analysis you were waiting for...run a Google map plot from your start station (Pleasant Hill for me) to your end station (Coliseum / Oakland Airport), take that mileage number and muliply by 51.9 cents.

In my case, I am travelling just under 25 miles for $3.40 on Bart (just $3.19 if you include the small discount for using EZ Bart smart card), and that same trip would cost me $12.98 (total cost of operation) in a hybrid ($14.50 in an "average").

And those costs, of course, are *each way*. Extrapolate out to an average business month (5 roundtrips per week, 4.3 weeks per average month) and you have $137.17 (EZ Bart discounted) versus $558.14 (hybrid) or $623.50 ("average" car).

For each day you swap car trips for Bart rides, you are costing yourself a minimum of $9.79 per day, which would be $42.09 in a month, and $505.16 per year. And that is just one day per week.

I have all the same gripes about Bart as everybody else, but it is pretty darned economical for distance travel.

And following on with the idea of renting cars for occasions when you really (really) need one, we are lucky enough to have three different car sharing services in the Bay Area (City CarShare, Zipcar, and Flexcar) that allow you to rent cars by the hour, on a "pay as you go" basis.

This is a cool option (that eliminates the giant "sunk" costs of automobile ownership from the equation) which you can read about here: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/01/22/MNGDANML2T1.DTL

Hope that helps.

bikesonbart's picture

That is a really good

That is a really good analysis. I tossed some numbers around for my car and it came out to about $0.64 / mile since I've owned the car. I think my number is a little high, but maybe not too much. So driving the car is about $28.80 a day! Makes the BART fare and bike parts seem pretty insignificant.

I still have the car and I'm not getting rid of it. :)

bandh's picture

I think the other intangible

I think the other intangible to think about is whether driving drains you, or BART does. When I worked in the Hayweird part of Hayward and had to drive, the 45 minute drive wore me out. I'd be amped up for at least an hour afterwards, and beat when I calmed down.

My ride to/from Richmond is the same physical distance, longer in terms of time, but far easier on my psyche. On BART, I sit down and zone out, arriving relaxed and somewhat rested. The AC transit ride home from BART used to wind me up a bit, but since I started riding my bike to the Fruitvale BART station I'm pretty mellow the whole time.

Other people might find the crowds, "Louds", and general downsides to the BART experience far more irritating than a car ride through heavy traffic. It might be worth the extra money.

I'm spending loads less on wear and tear on the car and gas, I save much more than I spend on BART tickets. My insurance rates will probably go down when I inform the company that I'm no longer driving to work and only use the car once in awhile on weekends. Less time driving = less chance of an accident or a claim.

bandh

When I used to commute by car

When I used to commute by car (many years ago), I'd get home and still be keyed up from work. After commuting for a while on BART, my wife remarked that I seemed to be a lot calmer when I arrived home. I guess the 45 minutes of reading a book helps me decompress.

I've been doing the Union City to Embarcadero commute for over 13 years now. I would have probably worn out at least 2-3 vehicles by then. I figure I've saved way over 10,000 gallons of gas by taking BART.

The 58 cent per mile

The 58 cent per mile deduction was made official today.